another side of vietnam about joey arnold
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Ce Phan
July 13 at 4:10pm
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Ho Chi Minh City
what else can we do to promote tourism development?
Vietnam needs to raise workers' skills to promote tourism industry
Experts believe weak training has prevented the industry from achieving its full potential
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Kris Burgess
is this guy related to Andrew Nguyen?
July 13 at 4:14pm
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Ce Phan
Sorry I don't know him? who is Andrew Nguyen?
July 13 at 4:18pm
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Kris Burgess
he also posts items which state the glaringly obvious.
July 13 at 4:27pm
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Ce Phan
To tell you the truth that I translate every daily news into Vietnamese for my students from English articles posted on Vietnamnet English, Tuoi Tre News, ... I just share some articles related to expats to this group. I hope you don't mind and browse through it
July 13 at 4:33pm
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Sam Sherwin
You beat me to it,
Kris Burgess
. As you say, stating the obvious. They could even learn something from Cambodia regarding the hospitality industry.
July 13 at 4:34pm
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Kris Burgess
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Sam Sherwin
, plagiarising drivel that we all know, it's the Viets that need to know this not expats.
July 13 at 4:36pm
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Sam Sherwin
When I first arrived here 10 years ago I tried to offer hospitality training to all the bars and restaurants around PNL area. Both English skills and general customer expectations of serving staff. Not one Vietnamese owned place was interested. They all thought they knew better.
July 13 at 4:37pm
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Kris Burgess
you summed it up
Sam Sherwin
They all THINK they know better and look at what has happened. lol.
July 13 at 4:39pm
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Pierre-olivier Mailliard
you are right it s not about worker skill it s about trainer, manager, owner skill and knowledge
July 13 at 5:03pm
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Capitan Kendar
What's with recent fixation on tourist "development." Is the economy that anemic? The banks and SOEs on that much trouble?
July 13 at 6:02pm
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Lazarus Q Zed
Well it's a question to expats that Vietnamese would like you guys to answer, hopefully you can respond with more than just bitter remarks... Anyways, most obvious thing which doesn't require any serious money is amke bui vien street a pedestrian zone
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July 13 at 7:57pm
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Capitan Kendar
Laz, most tourists don't go to Bui Vien/PNL. They travel, see sights. PNL imo, is for the youngins passing through town. Yes, they are tourists, but bui vien is just a stop over.
July 13 at 7:59pm
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Otto Van Titslinger
July 13 at 8:00pm
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Lazarus Q Zed
There was an article just recently which pretty much summed it up, fixed prices for everyone to see, easier visa process and so on...
July 13 at 8:01pm
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Lazarus Q Zed
Sure, but it would make the street better for hanging out.. It wouldn't just attract people cause beer can be had for fifty cents.. It's a step towards better tourism
July 13 at 8:03pm
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Otto Van Titslinger
VN just have to figure out if they want sheps who follow a guy with flag, or the want real tourist, then stop the short sited scams and cheating
July 13 at 8:03pm
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Capitan Kendar
Otto, both are wanted. There are many different demands and needs, and more than the 2 you mention.
July 13 at 8:08pm
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Pierre-olivier Mailliard
Any way bui vien staff are already mutlitask, service, bartending, and massage, of course english is not great but nobody ask for it :)))
July 13 at 8:29pm
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Capitan Kendar
Why is bui vien being focused on. You think tourists come to VN to go to bui vien. Saigon as well. Saigon is a 2-3 days stop on the road to others things. Saigon is a half-day, actually.
July 13 at 8:32pm
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Pierre-olivier Mailliard
you don t see it s joke ?
July 13 at 8:38pm
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
We need to teach mindful/consideration of others classes to tourists. Both of these women in this picture needs to get each one their own cycle. Both of you are too fat to be in the same one. Duh! Tourists need to be mindful of the country they are visiting. Compare the cyclist size with these two women. Stop being cheap!
July 13 at 8:56pm
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Jonatan Cruz Valderrama
for once it will be nice that cab and cyclo drivers speak english and could take you to places. Or maybe having personal tour guides for a day for a fixed price.
July 13 at 10:00pm
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Sonny Hanson
people have to learn how to be polite and demonstrate respect for others, how not to cheat you, how to pay you on time.... etc
July 13 at 10:59pm
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Or you can start learning their languages since you are a visitor to their country
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July 14 at 12:26am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
And we should have tourism etiquette courses for foreigners who are visiting other countries.
July 14 at 12:27am
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Tuan Huynh
Back to basics is good...like dont litter , dont urinate in public, dont push into queues,...dont scam or rob tourrists...oh that goes for the police as well....
July 14 at 6:43am
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Todd Anderson
..... also no spitting
July 14 at 7:33am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Also put up sign like this:
2 fat bodies should NOT be on the same cyclo.
July 14 at 8:32am
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Kris Burgess
The driver makes that choice and charges accordingly for size, so stop being so ridiculous, Vietnam has seriously let itself down, get over it and do something about it.
July 14 at 8:35am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Don't attract cheap people. Learn to say no!
July 14 at 8:36am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Please educate workers to say No! to cheapskates.
July 14 at 8:37am
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Kris Burgess
July 14 at 8:38am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
July 14 at 8:40am
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Kris Burgess
Typical everybody else fault except your own, things will never improve, meanwhile over on the other Channel CAMBODIA.
July 14 at 8:42am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
This picture clearly explains foreigners' fault to squeeze 2 fat bodies in this cycle. VN need to seriously think about teaching workers how to say no to every job offers from foreigners. If they have no service then prices will raise. Simple supply & demand.
July 14 at 8:47am
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Kris Burgess
are you like 10 years old?
July 14 at 8:49am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Apparently, a very smart 10 years old who understands supply & demand. Perhaps, you might need to go back to school to learn economics 101?
July 14 at 9:00am
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Kris Burgess
really, well if you all carry on the way you are going there will be no need for supply because there will be no demand, this is called lateral thinking.
July 14 at 9:02am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Good. Please stay home. Don't travel if you are too cheap!
July 14 at 9:03am
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Kris Burgess
and there it is the first if you don''t like it go back to your own country.
July 14 at 9:04am
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Kris Burgess
Always the answer of the uneducated.
July 14 at 9:05am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Don't put words in my mouth. I clearly stated that you should not even think about traveling because it saved you money.
July 14 at 9:06am
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Kris Burgess
July 14 at 9:07am
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Todd Anderson
Kristy Wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 14 at 9:07am
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Kris Burgess
thanks guys, i knew she would eventually.
July 14 at 9:08am
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Thanh Nguyen
common sense, you are asking too much Michael, this is very hard to find here
July 14 at 9:15am
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Tuan Huynh
Well actually she loves Vietnam soo much that she lives in....wait for it Atlanta USA...Nice
July 14 at 9:22am
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Tuan Huynh
If you dont like it ...go back to urm the US???
July 14 at 9:23am
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Tuan Huynh
hahaha
July 14 at 9:23am
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Tuan Huynh
Thanh Nguyen....common sense follows you where ever you go ...even to Atlanta it would seem....
July 14 at 9:24am
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Kris Burgess
And she is talking about fat people lol.
July 14 at 9:24am
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Thanh Nguyen
yeah! I believe so...
July 14 at 9:27am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
Be considerate or don't travel at all. I am going to bed. Good night, leeches!
July 14 at 9:31am
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Kristy Quỳnh Loan
July 14 at 9:32am
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Kris Burgess
i will happily pay $100 for a good steak served with promptnous knowledge and politeness, the problem is there are so few places in the whole of Vietnam run by Viets who can achieve this.
July 14 at 9:38am
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Thanh Nguyen
El Gaucho with steak.. marvelous
July 14 at 9:41am
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Kris Burgess
Love it too, up here in Annoy we have Jacksons, just as nice.
July 14 at 10:04am
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Kris Burgess
Getting back to it though, this photo was taken by a friend in Annoy this weekend and this is another reason people don't comeback, just no need for it.
July 14 at 10:06am
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Peter Sorschak
the point is people dont want to change so relax, just care about your own business and family. Some places offering international standard, should recomend in some yellow pages, that would really help to increase quality. Anyone starting that i am in.
July 14 at 10:07am
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Tuan Huynh
Kris Burgess
you up north for too long mate come down and enjoy some southern comfort down here...tlc...
July 14 at 10:23am
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Kris Burgess
counting the days
July 14 at 10:23am
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Tuan Huynh
Au parc is not bad for steak...their shish kebab is not bad either...
July 14 at 10:24am
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Tuan Huynh
We go to Au parc for a slap up when you down mister
July 14 at 10:25am
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Tuan Huynh
Love it when mention so you live in Atlanta and she gone all hello kitty on us...
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lol
July 14 at 10:27am
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Thanh Nguyen
Au Parc is okie, they changed quite a lot after changing management though, but over all still okie
July 14 at 10:27am
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Otto Van Titslinger
July 14 at 10:29am
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Kris Burgess
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Tuan Huynh
July 14 at 10:30am
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Mike Van
Vietnam has so much to offer...there is a lot of things that needs fixing. Financial infrastructure (at least 40%+ of the population still don't have a bank account, 95% of online purchases is still being made cash-on-delivery), there is a massive lack
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Hương Hà Huy Tập
tieem luc du thua nhung chua biet ccach phat huy....thua ca Lao, Campuchia
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Todd Anderson
2. ALL post must be in ENGLISH (all other posts will be removed).
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Todd Anderson
comments as well
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Hương Hà Huy Tập
Sorry!! My english skill is no better so sometime I get a little trouble when i comment in group..!!
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Sorry..!!!
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Mike Van
Went to a presentation event last night for a life insurance company "Dia ichi Life" which reiterates a few observations for me. Vietnam is a very young country from a economically view point, just a generation ago, the population was predominately far
mers, where starvation was common, double digits unemployment rate as high as 50% was common (mid 80s). Coupled with majority of the older generations having died during or after the war through famine, agent orange, disease as a byproduct of the war. So you have a massive generation gap of knowledge and leadership missing which needs to be filled in along the way. There was a few "snake oil salesman" technique used which made me both very sad and angry. Angry that bait-and-switch is allowed, there's no consumer protection, that big companies offers supposedly great packages and promises which is based on outright lies,deceit and manipulation. Sitting next to my lawyer friend, we were absolutely gobsmacked at how crook and veil they were in their tactic in getting people to sign up.
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Miley Temple
Mike Van, thank you for your comment. I did not know all of that before & that is interesting to know.
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