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Jamie Thompson You are consider illegal because you overstayed in Vietnam for two years dudeeeee
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Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson,
I might say that I teach. But what does that even mean? According to
the law, legal teaching must be legal through an ascended employer as
opposed to descended customers. I might be a freelance teacher, but that
is not illegal. The law does not deal with freelance activity in the
way that I do it.
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Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson,
I ma not talking about that. I am not talking about my visa. I am
talking about what I do as a fake teacher. I would not call myself a
fake teacher. But some call me fake. But I do not teach. I talk to
people. But talking is teaching. But
legally speaking, talking is not considered a real job. Therefore, I do
not have a real job if I am not doing a real job. Therefore, I cannot
break a real law without doing a real job. I do not have are a job.
Therefore, I am not really doing the real job because the real job is
fake and therefore it is not there. Therefore, I am nothing.
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Jamie Thompson It is illegal to do freelance if you’re staying in Vietnam illegally 
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what do you mean by talking is not a real job? I know people who get
paid just by talking. They’re called as motivation speaker. Heard of
‘em?
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what do you mean by talking is not a real job? I know people who get
paid just by talking. They’re called as motivation speaker. Heard of
‘em?
Joey Arnold Jamie
Thompson, we are talking about two different things. These are two
separate issues. Motivational speakers are employed and recognized in a
different kind of way. They are hired by certain people, groups, events,
employers, and are paid a lot of money,
which activates more legal obligations in regards to taxes and
employment in that sense of the word employment in those kinds of ways.
Plus, they are paid specifically to say certain things. They often have
real contracts, too. Contracts is another factor. Salaries is another
factor. Consider all of these different factors.
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Alan Middleton Joey Arnold - at any time prior to your arrival to Vietnam did you have an FBI background check with you upon your entry to Vietnam?
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Alan Middleton Well
according to your words you came to Vietnam in 2012 to teach. Which
means you came for employment purposes and not to be a tourist. You
opted to come on a tourist visa or presumably VOA. A valid and recent
police background check is required for a
work visa per Vietnam rules. And by your own testimony or lack
thereof, I have deduced you don't have a bachelor's degree and/or a
TEFL/TESOL/etc thus meaning you would have to extend your tourist visa.
After so many extensions your presence in Vietnam seems suspicious and
thus reason for your denial.
If I am wrong about any of the above, please feel free to post pictures below.
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Joey Arnold Alan
Middleton talking, AKA teaching, but not teaching teaching. There are
two kinds of teachings. There is legal teaching and talking teaching.
The talking teaching is nothing to most people. Everybody talks. Is
everybody illegal? Is talking illegal? Nobody can talk now because
talking is illegal?
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Toby Hugh Daniell But it is illegal to overstayed your visa, so you definitely have broken the law 
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Toby Hugh Daniell Yeah I get that, how exactly did you get yourself into this mess?
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Alan Middleton Toby Hugh Daniell - Mr. Joey Arnold is what is known as a sovereign citizen.
https://www.forbes.com/.../what-is-a-sovereign-citizen/...
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Joey Arnold Toby Hugh Daniell,
they didn't extend my visa and would not tell me what happened
specifically but they were legally required to tell me and they did not
tell me and they violated Vietnamese law.
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Joey Arnold Toby Hugh Daniell,
I went to a travel agency to extend my visa, they said ok, 2 weeks
later, they say no, then I went to another agency, they ok, 2 weeks
later, no, and that kept on happening for weeks. And then I gave all my
money to a family. Then I had no money.
And I may have found some real help but already gave away my money.
Also, was busy at times talking to people. And I really wanted to know
what happened, too for a long time...........
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Corrie Stroup OOOH! A SC? That explains a HELL of a whole lot.
Also, if you're talking and people are paying you to talk, then yeah, you're working illegally.
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Joey Arnold Corrie Stroup
no. They're not paying me. I disagree with you. Under the table work is
not work at all. In a court of law, not everything can be classified as
work. When you get money on your birthday, did you work? No. They are
called presents. Gifts. Sometimes, I might get some gifts.
Contributions. Donations. That is legal. That is not work.
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Corrie Stroup "Under the table work is not work at all"
Under the table work is illegal. Even for Vietnamese citizens.
If you get a enough of a gift to live off of, yes, you must pay taxes on it. If you mow enough lawns, yes, you're supposed to pay taxes on it. Yard sales? You should be paying taxes. Start your own Etsy business? Fucking taxes, man.
RemoveUnder the table work is illegal. Even for Vietnamese citizens.
If you get a enough of a gift to live off of, yes, you must pay taxes on it. If you mow enough lawns, yes, you're supposed to pay taxes on it. Yard sales? You should be paying taxes. Start your own Etsy business? Fucking taxes, man.
Joey Arnold Corrie Stroup tax is not applicable for incomes under 20K/yr in the USA, it seems, or it was that case...........
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Joey Arnold Corrie Stroup
work is not a physical thing, according to the law. Work is defined by
lawyers, by judges, by law makers.... what you re saying is not
true.....
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Corrie Stroup Done.
Have fun in prison. You don't want to go back to the States because
they don't put up with your bullshit and you'd rather be in a fucking
Vietnamese prison... So... Have a great life, hope it sobers you up.
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Vitaly Chetverikov Joey Arnold Thanks. It wasn't that difficult to come up with it, you know.
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Tim Kim Sa How can you even get hired anywhere without a valid visa?
Your excuses for not getting your visa issues resolved are lame.
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Tim Kim Sa The smart thing to do is hire a lawyer to handle your visa issues for you.
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Joey Arnold Vitaly
Chetverikov what is your definition of work? There is the physical
definition and the legal definition. People always put them all into one
definition. According to the law, work is defined by employers and not
customers. If you give money to yo...See More
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Bao Thien Weigert If he is responsible as a teacher as he is for his legal stay than I Know why I don't send my Kids to school
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Bao Thien Weigert You are right Miss Jamie Vietnam needs more law breakers like him
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Robbie Parker Why be negs! if he can teach he can teach! End of. Good Lucky JA!
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Joey Arnold Legally
speaking, I have to say that I am not employed to teach and therefore
not a teacher and therefore not teaching, legally speaking, from that
point of view and therefore not being illegal as an English Teacher on
the basis that freelance teachers are not teachers and therefore I am
not a teacher because I am void of descended employment by definition
never mind the ascending employment, perhaps.
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Joey Arnold It
is illegal to have real work without a visa and work permit. I do not
do real work. I do not have a real job. I might talk to people. But that
is not real. Therefore, I am not violating those laws because I am not
doing what is illegal if I m not really doing anything at all.
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Jamie Thompson As I told you, whether you’re working in Vietnam or not. Your existence in Vietnam is illegal. It’s common sense, Joey.
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Bao Thien Weigert You are right you cannot be more illegal as you already are
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Bao Thien Weigert In the Eyes of Vietnam you are a criminal and they will treat you like one and if you complain they will give you a hard time
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Bao Thien Weigert And
for the Fee there is not such a law it's up to every Case .in your Case
2 years is just too long .there is nothing to explain
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Robbie Parker American man just killed a boy in a car accident and paid 250 million and left. No charges.
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Bao Thien Weigert In
Vietnam there is an Unwritten law if the family of the victim is agree
than the family have the last saying it exist also in Arab countries
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Jah Mateus Too right.. Bout the only thing I can recall in the last 10 years that has been commendable. in the UK.
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Micheal O Loidean I wouldn't let you anywhere near my boy, the fkn state of you.
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Tùng Hoà ng And one more thing for them thats not least is empathy and authentication bro!
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Corrie Stroup This
whole business is fucking crazy. That a guy like this can repeatedly
post about his illegal activities in an open forum, some people ACTUALLY
SUPPORT HIM, and he never faces repercussions? This is just sick. He
needs to be put on a boat back home and gotten some serious help, not
float around like a vagrant.
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Corrie Stroup You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face buddy and it won't change things.
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Robbie Parker Corrie Stroup You just jelous cuz he's a better looking version of ya self!
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Bao Thien Weigert Corrie his days are counted he has just build his own grave .
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Corrie Stroup I
hope so. It sickens me seeing people like him and WORSE being anywhere
near children. Or for Vietnamese to interact with him and reinforce the
shitty stereotypes we already have.
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Bao Thien Weigert Me
too but I have mentioned it a few weeks ago that my uncle in law is
police and he told me they only take him out if he try to cross the
border not like in Cambodia if the police know about or see him on the
street he get arrested .in Vietnam sadly different
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