Wednesday, November 1, 2017

Visa Visa 07


 2017-11-01 Wednesday 10 PM OTC
JoeyArnoldVN



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Alan Middleton
Alan Middleton Joey Arnold - do you have a bachelor's degree and TEFL/TESOL/CELTA/ ETC.?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton I am not a teacher. Your question is not relevant to what I may or may not do or not do or have done or may have not done and so on and so forth. I attended four colleges. I have some certificates. I have degrees. I studied education, teaching, counseling, discipleship, psychology, for years. Been teaching since 2005, which was twelve years ago. However, that is in the past. That was long ago. What I may or may not be doing now might be maybe different than the kind of things I did in the past.
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Alan Middleton
Alan Middleton Joey Arnold - but you said here "teaching since 2012." Are you lying to me above or lying to her?
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Jamie Thompson
Jamie Thompson Alan Middleton I think he meant he started teaching since 2012 and has stopped.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson I am trying to say a few things at the same time. There are illegal things I am not doing and there are legal things I am doing. But we are using the same word to describe two different thing. I switch back and forth between legal and physical definitions of teaching according to the law. Too often people muddy up the waters when talking about things.
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Jamie Thompson
Jamie Thompson You switch what back and forth? To be frank, I feel like you’re messing with my mind now lol
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton, we are playing around with semantics. We are playing around with definitions. There are so many ways you can define words. Legally speaking, I am not illegal. I am not working illegally. I am not employed from an ascended position from an ascended employer. There is a difference.
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Jamie Thompson
Jamie Thompson You are consider illegal because you overstayed in Vietnam for two years dudeeeee
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson, I might say that I teach. But what does that even mean? According to the law, legal teaching must be legal through an ascended employer as opposed to descended customers. I might be a freelance teacher, but that is not illegal. The law does not deal with freelance activity in the way that I do it.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson, I ma not talking about that. I am not talking about my visa. I am talking about what I do as a fake teacher. I would not call myself a fake teacher. But some call me fake. But I do not teach. I talk to people. But talking is teaching. But legally speaking, talking is not considered a real job. Therefore, I do not have a real job if I am not doing a real job. Therefore, I cannot break a real law without doing a real job. I do not have are a job. Therefore, I am not really doing the real job because the real job is fake and therefore it is not there. Therefore, I am nothing.
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Jamie Thompson
Jamie Thompson It is illegal to do freelance if you’re staying in Vietnam illegally 🤣 what do you mean by talking is not a real job? I know people who get paid just by talking. They’re called as motivation speaker. Heard of ‘em?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Jamie Thompson, we are talking about two different things. These are two separate issues. Motivational speakers are employed and recognized in a different kind of way. They are hired by certain people, groups, events, employers, and are paid a lot of m...See More
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Alan Middleton
Alan Middleton Joey Arnold - at any time prior to your arrival to Vietnam did you have an FBI background check with you upon your entry to Vietnam?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton are tourists required to get one?
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Alan Middleton
Alan Middleton Well according to your words you came to Vietnam in 2012 to teach. Which means you came for employment purposes and not to be a tourist. You opted to come on a tourist visa or presumably VOA. A valid and recent police background check is required for a work visa per Vietnam rules. And by your own testimony or lack thereof, I have deduced you don't have a bachelor's degree and/or a TEFL/TESOL/etc thus meaning you would have to extend your tourist visa. After so many extensions your presence in Vietnam seems suspicious and thus reason for your denial.

If I am wrong about any of the above, please feel free to post pictures below.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton no. I did not come to work.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton teaching does not always mean teaching.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton you are twisting my words.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton you are taking me out of context.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton I came to Vietnam as a tourist.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton I did tourist things.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton I talked to people.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Alan Middleton talking, AKA teaching, but not teaching teaching. There are two kinds of teachings. There is legal teaching and talking teaching. The talking teaching is nothing to most people. Everybody talks. Is everybody illegal? Is talking illegal? Nobody can talk now because talking is illegal?

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