David Battersby Really enjoy your "training video "
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Garret Nelson I thought this guy had finally been sent back. Been awhile since we've heard from him
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Garret Nelson Joey
has been around Vietnam for awhile and has some issues, as you see. He
was pretty prolific two years ago in his mad man posting buy dropped off
the map for the last year.
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Allan Kamen I
think you would fit in well as a fighter for ISIS in Syria. They like
soft belly types like you. You really have no purpose or use in
Vietnam.
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David Lyonz Why are you naked Joey
? I'm picturing this .. and it's not an image I want in my mind. I'm
sure any church would give you clothes. They're pretty generous to
people in that situation. I know a friend who went through a tough time
like that and they helped him out.
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David Lyonz I know people who have overstayed their visa by 26 years. They're not naked. They still work. This is Saigon dude.
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David Lyonz You said you were naked. Now you've just made it creepy. I'm imagining this instead now.
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David Lyonz So
? Have you never heard of part time jobs ? Not everyone cares about
your papers. Did no one tell you that this is Vietnam and you can get
away with that ? There's probably half a million undocumented people in
this city.
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz but it is not a good idea to continue to do or at all and it is rather problematic and stuff
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David Lyonz Well
man, you're not the only person living on nothing. I know them. I see
them. You can always find something to do. Buy socks from the markets
and then sell them in Pham Ngu Lao hehehe.
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz
I teach people when they come to me and pay me..... that is what I have
done.... and I have lived all over HCM when people let me live at their
house.... I had an apartment.... I lied in some hotels..... but police
came a few times before....
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David Lyonz My
boss once estimated the number of teachers she knew that had work
permits and police checks as 5% of all the teachers she knew.
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David Lyonz So
? You just have to not draw attention to yourself and stay one step
ahead of the fuzz. Don't use one run in with the police as an excuse to
give up hope. If you want to live, you need to work. Papers be damned.
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David Lyonz Sorry mate. There's already 5 people in my bed. I thought 4 was the maximum but then another one was added. 
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David Lyonz Sorry mate. I've got the all-girl's house. :D
But you might have some luck next door. The boys next door are all gay. You could try asking if you can stay with them. You speak Vietnamese, right ?
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David Lyonz Sometimes.
They're a pretty cool bunch. I think pretty much everyone in the place
is undocumented hahaha. A lot of the folks in my building work in the
local hotpot restaurant. I'm just hanging here because it's my
girlfriend's place and it's got all my
furniture in it because I haven't bothered moving yet. At first the idea
of sharing a shitty 1.5 million dong/month place in Binh Chanh seemed
like hell on earth, but then I realised .. hey, it's with 4 great girls.
I can handle that. It's actually nice to have company. Living alone was
starting to make me a little sad. The boys from next door come over to
listen to music and smoke pipes with us. Hehehe.
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David Lyonz There's
more than one way to skin a cat mate. I had a 3 million dong apartment,
but I traded it to share a bed with 4 girls for 300k/month for a week
and then decided "Hey, I like this. This is fun". Plus, Binh Chanh is
great. No one speaks a word of English.
They certainly don't ask people for their papers. I don't know why
you're making that a limitation on your life. I've been carrying around a
police clearance certificate for the last two years and ONE employer
has asked to see it, in Da Nang and even when I brought it to the
interview they brushed it away and said "I don't need to read it. As
long as you have one, that's good enough". I was disappointed. That
thing cost me $55 in Australia and no one even wants to see it. Such a
waste of time and money. This is Saigon man. No one gives a shit.
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David Lyonz If
you want a job you just apply for one. You know how to post on
Facebook. That's literally all that's required to get a job in this
city. Sell shoes. You can make 300k in an afternoon and pay your month's
rent. 
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David Lyonz We
actually have a spare bed up on the mezzanine but no one wants to sleep
there because it's really close to the roof. It's very claustrophobic. I
was up there tonight to get my guitar and said "I know why the other
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David Lyonz The
folks who prefer this one live next door. You want to try them ? The
first night I moved in one of them snapped a selfie of himself kissing
my cheek. I think they like bearded white guys. Could be an in for you
mate ..
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David Lyonz Just don't tell any of my household that I'm not a lesbian. I've got them pretty well fooled so far ;)
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David Lyonz I
think there's room in the bed next door. There was a big fight on the
weekend with a whole lot of "dit me" and "du ma" back and forth and
someone got ejected. Trouble in paradise apparently.
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David Lyonz Not
gay. Not naked. Tsk tsk. You shouldn't make up stories. Find some girl
to take you home then. Girls like a lapdog white guy. Are you small
enough to fit in a handbag ?
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David Lyonz I am but only if it's a very big handbag.. like.. maybe one you carry on your back when hiking on a mountain
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David Lyonz I
asked my girlfriend if she could ask someone nearby if they want a
roommate. She told me the guys next door aren't actually gay. That was
just her cousin's friend. Huh. Go figure. All this time I thought the
neighbours were gay because of that.
You speak Vietnamese, right ? There's probably someone in the building who would take you in. It's a big place. I've never guessed at the occupancy but I did log into the router one night and saw 213 devices connected hahaha. No wonder the internet drops out so much. Every room has fricken 4-6 people staying in it and they've all got at least one mobile.
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David Lyonz The
landlord apparently thinks it's funny to call the building "Nha dep"
which I find ironic as I joking call it "Hell" since the rooms don't
have windows and it's as hot as hell. I recently started calling my
girlfriend "ac quy" (the devil) and she was
like "That's not funny. Don't call me that" and I said "But I call the
house am phu.. hell. So that makes you the devil, ac quy". I had to
sleep on the mezzanine that night. 
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz
I know a few vn words... I was staying in Q.1 for students and I wanted
to stay for as long as they were my students.... and I may have one
student still right now..... but I may say goodbye to my last student
and maybe try to go to where you are or to another place..... but am not
sure........... am scared of so many things.....
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz i like your jokes and it is too bad she is not going with the hell and devil joke thing
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Joey Arnold I
use to talk about finding a wife when I was younger.... I find it funny
to say that I am gay because I want to see if people would believe me
because you can find videos ad things I wrote and people that knew me a
long time ago know i love women but i say I am gay as a way to show
people how gullible they are
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz
I play the game TWO TRUTHS AND A LIE..... I say things that are true
and then mix them with obvious lies or satire or contradictions to what
kind of person I am....... if you know my character then you would know
it would be inconsistent for me to be gay.... that is not who I am and
it would be a crazy character flaw
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David Lyonz I
know you're not gay. I was just playing along. But I've seen the
videos. It's pretty obvious that you're not gay by your selfies.
There's lots of things to be scared of in life. People. Traffic. Spiders. Ok not in Saigon. But I am scared of spiders in other places that have a lot of spiders. I'm not scared of traffic though.
The important thing is that you have a place to stay. Then you work on getting a job. You don't want to be a beggar man. That's really not a cool look for a white dude. Just find some friends and see if you can stay with them and then find some work. You don't need to have a 40 million dong school contract to live, man. I'm not really into house-sharing. I value my privacy. But when I spent a night at my gf's with her friends and she begged me to move back in with her I said afterwards "This is sort of cool". It helps that her friends are cool and we all get high and watch cartoons together after work.
RemoveThere's lots of things to be scared of in life. People. Traffic. Spiders. Ok not in Saigon. But I am scared of spiders in other places that have a lot of spiders. I'm not scared of traffic though.
The important thing is that you have a place to stay. Then you work on getting a job. You don't want to be a beggar man. That's really not a cool look for a white dude. Just find some friends and see if you can stay with them and then find some work. You don't need to have a 40 million dong school contract to live, man. I'm not really into house-sharing. I value my privacy. But when I spent a night at my gf's with her friends and she begged me to move back in with her I said afterwards "This is sort of cool". It helps that her friends are cool and we all get high and watch cartoons together after work.
David Lyonz I
didn't even know such a thing existed in Saigon. I thought you just had
to open League of Legends and put some dark sunglasses on so people
thought you were awake.
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz but people do sleep at night for an hour or longer at many 24 hour places
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David Lyonz Yeah, I think living in McDonalds is pretty much against their rules in general.
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz, define living? I take showers at a coffee warehouse and i keep my clothes there and I teach the boss there twice a week
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David Lyonz You
might want to consider going to a church and asking for some help. Many
will give homeless people money. I have a friend who went to one
recently for help after he had problems getting his pension and they
gave him 200k. I'm sure they'd also find some clothes for you if you
asked them to. I'm not sure if any provide showers. It might help you
get a job if you are.. you know.. not smelly and dirty.
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz I went to some churches and told them and they did not help or something
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Joey Arnold I do not understand why I would have to go somewhere to ask if I hve already asked online
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David Lyonz Well, I don't know where he went to. I just know it was a church in District 1. I think it was in Co Giang.
Yeah well. Look mate, everyone has problems. My friend is severely disabled. I've spent a lot of time working with homeless people in various countries and they all have problems. That's why they're homeless. But you can overcome them, ok ? You can't just expect people to help you. You have to help yourself. It's no big deal to be homeless. I spent a few weeks homeless in Perth for a while hanging out with some of the locals, just following them around, writing. There's naturally a lot of support networks there for people who are homeless to help them get free meals and such. But housing is another matter. Doesn't matter whether you're in Saigon or Perth or New York... housing costs money.
I mean, I have money in the bank and I'm capable of working, but right now I'm just spending some time writing and meditating. Living in a 300.000d/month share house is just a choice right now because my girlfriend doesn't want me to leave, but eventually I will because like I said I value my privacy.. but the point is that it's not hard to come up with 300k a month is it ? Even if you teach in the park for 100k/hr.. you only have to work for 3 hours and you're covered.
What street people, transients, homeless will tell you is that you can't focus on the end goal or the obstacles. You just need to focus on what you need right now, such as a place to sleep. Then you pick your next goal such as "Get some clean clothes". Then your next one can be "Find some work". That doesn't mean "Find a job". Forget about work permits and police clearances and visas. That's way beyond where you are right now. That's for full time employees with careers. There's about ten million ways you can earn money in this city. Literally all you have to do is buy something, and then sell it to someone else at a profit.
I remember when some dude approached me in Bui Vien many years ago with a bunch of socks and said "Hi. Socks. 30.000d per pair" my first comment was "Pfft. They're 15.000 for two pairs on the side of the road dude. What are you trying to sell socks for in Bui Vien" and he just smiled and said "Need money. 30.000d" and I thought "Shit. I need socks" So I bought two pairs of socks from him. And he made 45.000d. All you have to do is try. You smile, you talk to people, and you try and sell them something. It can be a pair of socks, an English lesson, or a steamy night of romance with the famous Oatmeal. I'm pretty sure the latter option makes you even more money, but you'd definitely want clean clothes and a smile for that.
I know you know how to talk to people. I know you know how to teach. You're not an amputee. Some people have much bigger obstacles to overcome in life than just fear mate. Some people have to drag themselves around on their hands. And you know what ? Some of those people still manage to raise 6 kids while they're doing it too. So don't use fear or misery as any sort of excuse for not helping yourself to get out of this rut you're in. You're better than that. You can fix your life. It might not seem like it right now, but you can.
You're smart. You can use a computer. You can teach. You have all your limbs intact and you're not dying of an incurable disease. So.. get out there and do something about your problem.
RemoveYeah well. Look mate, everyone has problems. My friend is severely disabled. I've spent a lot of time working with homeless people in various countries and they all have problems. That's why they're homeless. But you can overcome them, ok ? You can't just expect people to help you. You have to help yourself. It's no big deal to be homeless. I spent a few weeks homeless in Perth for a while hanging out with some of the locals, just following them around, writing. There's naturally a lot of support networks there for people who are homeless to help them get free meals and such. But housing is another matter. Doesn't matter whether you're in Saigon or Perth or New York... housing costs money.
I mean, I have money in the bank and I'm capable of working, but right now I'm just spending some time writing and meditating. Living in a 300.000d/month share house is just a choice right now because my girlfriend doesn't want me to leave, but eventually I will because like I said I value my privacy.. but the point is that it's not hard to come up with 300k a month is it ? Even if you teach in the park for 100k/hr.. you only have to work for 3 hours and you're covered.
What street people, transients, homeless will tell you is that you can't focus on the end goal or the obstacles. You just need to focus on what you need right now, such as a place to sleep. Then you pick your next goal such as "Get some clean clothes". Then your next one can be "Find some work". That doesn't mean "Find a job". Forget about work permits and police clearances and visas. That's way beyond where you are right now. That's for full time employees with careers. There's about ten million ways you can earn money in this city. Literally all you have to do is buy something, and then sell it to someone else at a profit.
I remember when some dude approached me in Bui Vien many years ago with a bunch of socks and said "Hi. Socks. 30.000d per pair" my first comment was "Pfft. They're 15.000 for two pairs on the side of the road dude. What are you trying to sell socks for in Bui Vien" and he just smiled and said "Need money. 30.000d" and I thought "Shit. I need socks" So I bought two pairs of socks from him. And he made 45.000d. All you have to do is try. You smile, you talk to people, and you try and sell them something. It can be a pair of socks, an English lesson, or a steamy night of romance with the famous Oatmeal. I'm pretty sure the latter option makes you even more money, but you'd definitely want clean clothes and a smile for that.
I know you know how to talk to people. I know you know how to teach. You're not an amputee. Some people have much bigger obstacles to overcome in life than just fear mate. Some people have to drag themselves around on their hands. And you know what ? Some of those people still manage to raise 6 kids while they're doing it too. So don't use fear or misery as any sort of excuse for not helping yourself to get out of this rut you're in. You're better than that. You can fix your life. It might not seem like it right now, but you can.
You're smart. You can use a computer. You can teach. You have all your limbs intact and you're not dying of an incurable disease. So.. get out there and do something about your problem.
David Lyonz I
have a Vietnamese preacher friend who spends way too much time whining
and asking people to "help" him. But he does at least try and help
himself. I met him in the rain at a bus station about 5 years ago when I
was hiding from the rain and he always seems
to crop back up in my life again sooner or later. He just walks up to
people and says "Hi. I really need a job. I speak 4 languages, I'm
healthy and I can work". He says "The Lord helps those who help
themselves".
Of course he also says "Can you help me" a lot and people aren't really fond of hearing that. But the first time I met him he didn't ask that. He asked "Can I help YOU ?" and I said "Maybe you can" and I took his number. A week later I called him and said "I'm in Vung Tau for a few days. I've been giving flowers to this girl at a bar every day. I want you to do it for me while I'm away. I'll send you the money. Just go and buy some roses from the market and deliver them to her. That's all you have to do". And he did it every day while I was away.
I didn't win the heart of the girl, but I did help out this fellow that needed a job, so I guess someone got something out of the situation.
Remember... when you're asking for work, don't ask what people can do for YOU. Ask what YOU can do for THEM. I've hired people to photocopy books before, distribute flyers, deliver flowers for me. All because someone said "Hey, if you need anything and I can help you, please call me". So I do.
I don't have need of anything like that right now, so I can't give you a job. And, without meaning to be rude... I can't have another dude move in with me disturbing my little love nest. But I'm sure someone could. There was a job in Da Nang this week for foreigners who wanted to volunteer a few hours a week teaching English in exchange for a room in a house and meals. Lots of people look for that sort of thing. That's something you could do. It doesn't have to be a super demanding job. You just need enough to share a room and to buy some mi goi. Do you know how many employers will happily pay you in accommodation and food ? Plenty. There's lots of volunteer-based schools around.
RemoveOf course he also says "Can you help me" a lot and people aren't really fond of hearing that. But the first time I met him he didn't ask that. He asked "Can I help YOU ?" and I said "Maybe you can" and I took his number. A week later I called him and said "I'm in Vung Tau for a few days. I've been giving flowers to this girl at a bar every day. I want you to do it for me while I'm away. I'll send you the money. Just go and buy some roses from the market and deliver them to her. That's all you have to do". And he did it every day while I was away.
I didn't win the heart of the girl, but I did help out this fellow that needed a job, so I guess someone got something out of the situation.
Remember... when you're asking for work, don't ask what people can do for YOU. Ask what YOU can do for THEM. I've hired people to photocopy books before, distribute flyers, deliver flowers for me. All because someone said "Hey, if you need anything and I can help you, please call me". So I do.
I don't have need of anything like that right now, so I can't give you a job. And, without meaning to be rude... I can't have another dude move in with me disturbing my little love nest. But I'm sure someone could. There was a job in Da Nang this week for foreigners who wanted to volunteer a few hours a week teaching English in exchange for a room in a house and meals. Lots of people look for that sort of thing. That's something you could do. It doesn't have to be a super demanding job. You just need enough to share a room and to buy some mi goi. Do you know how many employers will happily pay you in accommodation and food ? Plenty. There's lots of volunteer-based schools around.
Joey Arnold David Lyonz,
my fear isn't fear of doing stuff.... it is about making the best
choices possible..... I am not afraid of doing stuff..... and I do think
about one thing at a time too....
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David Lyonz Well,
there's only one person who can help you with that... you. You know
you're capable of working and living and renting an apartment. You've
done it before. So do it again.
I have to go to sleep mate. Don't think so negative about it. Remember.. eat, shower, find a place to sleep, and go ask people what you can do for them. Don't sweat about stuff like visas and that shit. Just focus on what you need to survive. And if you DO approach any community organisations or individuals.. remember, it's your attitude that makes people help you or not help you. Often it's as little as a smile and a friendly demeanour. Turning up somewhere like death warmed up, looking hopeless and whining will not get you help in this world. Only a positive attitude will.
Wander around around the city. Sometimes when you're down on your luck you have to walk all day to find what you need. But if you talk to enough people, eventually you WILL find what you need. Or you will find what someone else needs and be able to help them with it.
Goodnight Joey. Take care of yourself.
RemoveI have to go to sleep mate. Don't think so negative about it. Remember.. eat, shower, find a place to sleep, and go ask people what you can do for them. Don't sweat about stuff like visas and that shit. Just focus on what you need to survive. And if you DO approach any community organisations or individuals.. remember, it's your attitude that makes people help you or not help you. Often it's as little as a smile and a friendly demeanour. Turning up somewhere like death warmed up, looking hopeless and whining will not get you help in this world. Only a positive attitude will.
Wander around around the city. Sometimes when you're down on your luck you have to walk all day to find what you need. But if you talk to enough people, eventually you WILL find what you need. Or you will find what someone else needs and be able to help them with it.
Goodnight Joey. Take care of yourself.
Joey Arnold David Lyonz
asking people how I can help them is the only thing I do and I spend
all day doing that... I have been that for a very long time.... this
post is isolated from me and from who I am and what I do normally....
less than one percent of the time, I might be doing something like
this.... in my life, I am not doing things like this all the time....
but what is this? what is this post and thread all about.... it is not
only about me..... it is for other people, too
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz
I do take care of myself already and that is not going to change
because of a magical thread, a magical pot that will undo what I do....I
am not begging and I am not crying... you can say I am whining but that
does not mean that this is whining.... life is not that simple.... this
post has many purposes including the purpose of brain storming choices
of where I may or may not want to live and also jobs I may or may not
want to have and also other things too.... the visa thing is important
as that can affect your ability to travel or ability to return to
Vietnam someday in the future if I were to leave and try to return to
Vietnam... this whole thing is not as simple as some say and I am not
crying and everything even if people say that is what this is..... I
will continue to do what I always do
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Joey Arnold David Lyonz,
I want to work as a tutor like I am now, and continue to do that as a
teacher/tutor as my own boss and not for a school. I want to make sure I
can have a place where I can make my own videos, live streams. I may be
willing to live in Vietnam, the USA<
or anywhere. Where I live is not the most important thing. THe msot
important thing for me is the ability to maximize my ability to
broadcast myself the more the better. I want to have some kind of room
or office.... I want the convenience of not a lot of travel or daily
commute.... my goal and requirements in life is maybe just that.... I
want just a room where I can do the computer video wifi thing.... and
maybe teach online.... maybe teach some people that come see me.... I am
still thinking.... the details are very fuzzy......
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Joey Arnold I am not crying... I am not whining
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