Sunday, October 8, 2017

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LIFE MEANING 01:
2017-10-09 Monday 9:48 AM PC HCM:
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Anyone can explain where did human being come from and why did we appear on earth?
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Paul Anning
Paul Anning Hoang Anh Luu No reason...purely random...and the effects of natural selection over time....
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Hoang Anh Luu the reason of life is love
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Michel Germain
Michel Germain To take these pictures
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James Atou
James Atou Human Being will disappear Soon to
Give space To Some
Sophisticated creature
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Hoang Anh Luu
Hoang Anh Luu Why did you think like that!!!
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James Atou
James Atou Because Sometimes
Some people Lost their
Faith in Humanity
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David Rosenblatt
David Rosenblatt Are you a transhumanist, James?
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James Atou
James Atou Im not,Im Pro-Human.
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David Rosenblatt
David Rosenblatt really? Then who is the “sophisticated creature” you mention?
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James Atou
James Atou Some people Coming from
Another galaxie
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An Truong Hoang
An Truong Hoang Because Adam and Eva did not use condom.
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Joshua West
Joshua West Monkey ate psilocybin mushrooms causing them to think outside the box
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Trung N Huynh
Trung N Huynh Natural’s huge mistake?
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Peter Willis
Peter Willis Why to make money then die of course.
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Joey Arnold
Kris Kravt
Kris Kravt That was God's decision
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Andrew Liang
Andrew Liang human is suffering . when old must wait for death
.. best is no this world
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Mike Webb
Mike Webb Got thatFridayfeeling
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Paco Taco
Paco Taco To answer your question(s)...
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Sorndhong Sorndhong
Sorndhong Sorndhong Do we have anywhere to go?
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Narik Nammy
Narik Nammy Exam hall- earth
Examiner- creator
Teachers- prophets

Participant-human
Results- heaven or hell... hope simple enough
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Romelus Saladar
Romelus Saladar Hoang Anh Luu BECAUSE we are AWESOME ??? HAHahahahahahahahhaahahahaha VIETNAM is gonna be FANTASTIC !!
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Vincent Brady
Vincent Brady To read stupid things like this
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Patrick Bernitz
Patrick Bernitz I like vietnam so vietnamese can survive and other go die
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John Cisneros
John Cisneros We were meant to be Dinosaur food.
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Keith Nguyen
Keith Nguyen To stuff the place up for every other species that came before or after our introduction.
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Jamie McClure
Jamie McClure genetically manipulated species created by the Elohim. (sumerian tablets)
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Hoang Anh Luu
Hoang Anh Luu Darwin's theory of evolution seems not to be correct now.
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Hoang Anh Luu
Hoang Anh Luu Do you know when was Darwin's theory of evolution born? Valentin le Bref. About few hundred years ago?
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Valentin le Bref
Valentin le Bref modern science adapt herself to new proof. yes darwin theory is outdated, because of the progress of science, it evolved. like any other fkeld of science. The best way to get fame in science is to destroy theories, by meticulous work and provable hyphothesis.

that said darwinism is not really a thing, evolution is one. ots a proven set of hypothesis
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Derek Ballesteros Reyes
Derek Ballesteros Reyes Maybe its outdated. But surely the answer is not "poof! And then there was humans"
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla To create a sentient, highly intelligent, self aware artificial life form, that can selfprocreate and travle through space and time by using the ion-energy from stars (optional/could be a different source of energy)

...this sentient being then will be
scanning all the planets on its way to source for all elements it needs, to maintain itself.
While doing so it may or may not pick up, spores and other microorganisms like germs and bacteria or any other form of life and spread those organisms (it's DNA) on its way and contaminate other planets. 🌺🐝
By doing so it may or may not jump start a chain-reaction that'll lead up to a fast increase, but definitely interfere, in the evolutionary process of a enclosed ecosystem and that way contribute to genetic diversity in space and that life goes on.

There are obviously an alternative versions, one, where humans are travelling within its creation to find and populate other planets...

Although, before all of that happens and before the sun implodes etc - humans will evolve into a telepathic species that lives closer in touch with its environment.
This species looks slightly different, more like what we would call aliens.
However, those decedent from us will manage to develop time travel and eventually travle back to interfere their own/our evolution in order to eventually create themselves.
By doing so they also accidentally create all the big religions and jumpstart civilisations like the Inkas, the Mayas, the Sumerians and the Egyptians as they believed the 'visitors' where gods.

But at this stage - any other guess would do it and probably is just as valid...

Maybe, for now, stick to fun and enjoy the time you got ✌🏼
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Humans like to think it's all about them 😂
One blink of an eye and some unfortunate circumstances and we're all gone...
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Dom Pham
Dom Pham Jews, one of the most intelligent people on earth, never ask these types of questions. They follow their Jewish faith.
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton To ask a "why", instead of a "how", requires there have been an awareness, a will, and a choice that it be so. A hand guiding development according to destiny. To ask "why" without a clear source of where that "why" came from is to not ask a question at all. You need to first find a source of the choice and then comprehend its motives... how's that working out for you?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Fake it till you make it 😂
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold don't call it a bad idea if you don't understand it 😉
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla don't judge me if u do not understand me and faking something is a bad philosophy that might be build fully or partly on the concept of fatalism which I reject but most people bow down and worship fatalism secretly without knowing it an...See More
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Ok, Joey...I'm not in the mood to discuss something with you, you already made your mind up on.
You don't know my motives and called it bad - per se you're doing what you're accusing me off...
If you want to go in circles I'm afraid you have to do it by yourself ✌🏼
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla motives are not relevant.... why you do something does not justify it.... doing good is good and doing bad is bad regardless of alleged motivations and other things and objectivity is the bottom line and you passed on an alleged idiom about faking it and the concept of faking it until you make it..... is bad..... the idiom is bad..... it is very bad for many reasons..... because it is bad....
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Ok, Joey - you're still talking/typing...
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton I thought he was being facetious! In consideration of the possibilities, though... imposing will on reality is perhaps what makes humans interesting.We MAKE reality. Steer our own destiny. Take what is then shape it how we imagine and will. Has anything great ever been done by us without believing in something which does not yet be? In Buddhism and Christianity, the technique of applying "what would Jesus/Siddhartha do?" is a great way to make progress -- the essence of fake it till you make it.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla That's basically what I was suggesting - thanks for articulating it, Richard ✌🏼
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton If anything it works too well. I do think that that's a different issue, however. Lots of acquiescent philosophies or ideologies plainly work too well.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold go home Joey, you're drunk 😜
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Martin Schönrock
Martin Schönrock In order to appreciate earth's beauty.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Did humans appear here or how did they get here & where did humans come from? The meaning of life is love, grace & justice, and the meaning of love is life, that is to experience it by living and then to share it and to teach it with others in a circle of Lion King life and all. The meaning of life is love and the meaning of love is life and it is forever.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold you cut off the end of that meme
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold ok - which end are you talking about?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton If you make love the meaning of life then love is the meaning of your life. However, I'd say that the devil is in the details of how that actually comes about.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Richard Winton the definition of love is grace and justice together which is all about everything. The definition is also that of love and agape which is part of that.
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton "A definition" of love. If you guys ever agreed on what that definition was I'm pretty sure that the whole world would know it ;)
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton Personally, a definition of love which I find most interesting is that provided by what we actually do.
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton ... in other words, is your love strong enough to do bad things in the name of it?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Quite accurate - as we, I want to be careful here, sometimes, can't know everything, tend to believe, what we do is good because we do it for love, not knowing that our actions might be harmful...so how can it be an action of love?
My hypothesis is, th
at naturally, there is no such thing as love or hate as they're both the same - based on where in the spectrum you are, this is what you experience by default, in the very moment.
However - if I look into the works of nature... I believe, I can see a pattern - everything is constantly changing (at different pace) and the things around or in it do its best to adapt or become in tune with it.
I believe that's the essence.
Everything else is interpretation, based on bias...
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton Yeah, that's the crux. Purpose is playing with fire. We're always wrong. If we accept that wrong? Then everything's right anyway 🤣
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold I give myself the benefit of the doubt at any given time, whenever I can.
Hope that clears things up ✌🏼
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, does that other reality have rules, order, structure, objectivity, a system, or is it quantum physics?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, you believe in relativity, subjectivity?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold all jokes aside - actually, I believe that subjectivity is somewhere on the spectrum of an objective truth or reality.
Whatever that may be at any given time...
So to say subjectivity is a personal experience of an
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, in other words, perspective
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold yea, exactly!
But I assumed you'd like to read your way towards it... 😜
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Hoang Anh Luu
Hoang Anh Luu Darwin's theory of evolution seems not to be correct now.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Hoang Anh Luu AnswersInGenesis.org
Answers in Genesis is an apologetics ministry, dedicated to helping Christians defend their…
answersingenesis.org
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Hoang Anh Luu says who? I didn't disregard evolution...
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton Hoang Anh Luu In the proper scope of it being applied, and the proper context, it seems to continue to hold its ground... but isn't that all that it ever was? Applicable within certain circumstances? The actual theory and the social movement have never really been the same thing
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Danny Foulger
Danny Foulger Humans didnt 'appear' they gradually evolved over time.
And its not a matter of 'why', but of 'how'.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Probably coincidence and because it was/is possible!
Also, if you consider infinity as a comparable unit of measure than humans literally just popped up like a bubble in a soda bottle which is currently rising to the surface 😂
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold people lived longer centuries ago
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Like those ones in the bible?
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Philip Princeton
Philip Princeton To fuck everything up lol
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Richard Winton
Richard Winton Righteously ;)?
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin We appeared on this earth because of evolutionary biology.
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin Darwinian Evolution is the only explanation that works when explaining origins. It is far more logical than entertaining a fictional sky daddy. It might benefit you to read both Origin of the Species and Decent of Man..
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin My framing is quite there is no evidence for a cosmic creator; leading one to the evidence at hand. That evidence points evolution through natural selection.
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin Evolution over the course of time selects the best traits and passes those traits forward.
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin How can I be "anthropomorphizing" when evolution through natural selection is a process?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Rob Nowlin why is the universe deevolving?
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Rob Nowlin
Rob Nowlin Joey Arnold, it is? Humanity is headed towards a cross roads; either a 6th mass extinction or to singularity. Either scenario is beneficial for the planet.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold I've got a very interesting take on why the Universe might be 'deevolving'!
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Rob Nowlin evolving into extinction? Would the Q (Star Trek) let himself go extinct? If we are evolving so much, would we really all die? You want to die in order to help Mother Earth? You should help your Mother Earth if you really love Mother Earth more than the lies of your family and friends.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold

1st - I don't have a cat.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, yes, number 2, and the S Cat might be part of your explanation as you have already said. But words should mean what they mean. It seems you are redefining words via the excuse of perspective, relativity, subjectivity, things like that....See More
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Ben Ghwee
Ben Ghwee The gods must be crazy. Lol.
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, do you believe in parallel universes? Are there infinite amounts, versions, variations, copies, altercations, mutations, of you, of me, of people, of the earth, of space, the universe, everything, in parallel dimensions like seen in Star Trek: The Next Generation and also seen a whole, spoiler alert, in Fringe and sometimes in The Twilight Zone?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla I do believe in multiple universes and I have my own hypothesis and if we ever get the chance to meet in person - I can explain it to you...
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, how do you know your other parallel universe you haven't already told me about it?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold I'm not sure if it works that way to be honest - but yea, quite possible...
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Can scientists create life in a laboratory?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Yes, they can - check out the primer field theory.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold elaborate or you shall remain ignorant!
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold really, is it because I asked you for clarification or because I may or may not agree with you 😂😂😂
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Tuyet Van Do
Tuyet Van Do According to the Sumerian tablets, we appeared on earth to be gold miners

http://humansarefree.com/.../the-14-tablets-of-enki...
The legacy we leave to our future generations. Let's be…
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Charles Gdf
Charles Gdf Because a monkey ate some funny mushrooms a long time ago
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Valentin le Bref
Valentin le Bref Kyaw Tay Zar dude.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Nooooo, not him!!!
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla For you? Probably 😬
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Valentin le Bref
Valentin le Bref ill grab pop cirn yeah
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla I may or may not have redefined words, I'm definitely guilty on explaining, what I meant, when I said a word in order, so we can understand each other better.
However - let's just call it 'the evolution of words' and call it a day...or wait I've got something better, how about 'linguistic evolution' 🤔😂✌🏼
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla can I be dead and alive at the same time?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla. you are redefining. You are trying to play with the words by saying A = B if A = C and B = C..... that would be one example..... that might not be the exact formula that you might be implying or whatever...... and you know what I mean by life.... you already know bout you are adding words for the sake of something........ but death and life are normally a biological thing.... that is the normal meaning.... and can somebody make choices and move their body around as they are living and not make choices and not move his or her body at the same time?
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold , define 'I'.
Are you referring to your consciousness or the microorganism and elements that make up your physiology?
I need some more information, if you don't mind....

Also, where do you draw the line where 'you' start and where biochemistry, physics and quantum mechanics come in?
Is matter or are elements dead or alive?
And if you consider the material you're made of as dead matter, are you partially dead by definition?
And if you're made out of 'dead' partials, aren't you by default dead and alive at the same time?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, the question is about action and inaction
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold no, you're wrong, the question is 'Can I be dead and alive at the same time?'
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Joey Arnold - however, I don't think it's just as 'black and white' as, it appears to me, you're proposing.
I actually want to look further into where A and C merge together or even are interconnected, maybe even codependent...so I'm asking the question, can and where do we draw the line?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, we are not talking about that. we are not on the same page. You always talk about perspective of what one might perceive and see and understand from their perspective but I am not asking you about what I think or about what I think. I am not talking about subjectivity, relativity, perception, perspective. My questions are not about those things. But you always go back to those things. Regardless of whether you know or not know that youare doing that, you are in fact doing those things regardless of your perception of it. You can feel what you want. You can see and think and believe what you want. But I am not asking about that. But that is the only thing that is out there according to you it seems.
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla So what are you talking about - you want a binary answer?
Ok, if you're dead you're dead and if you're alive you're alive, easy!
But you're asking it wrong!

We don't know with certainty whether or not there are other possibilities.
Only because you don't see it or hear it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
'Am I dead or alive?' is a question I can answer in a binary.
It's either yes or no.
'Can I be dead or alive at the same time?'
'Yea, sure why not.'
'Maybe!'
'Who the fuck knows.'
Different dynamic...
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla 'Does the bear shit in the woods'

Yes - if he does!

No - if he doesn't!

'Can the bear shit in the woods'

Sure, but who knows if he does...

😂😂😂
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla can the bear go and not go?
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, do not tell me what my question is or is not. My question is my question. You are rejecting my question by telling me that my question cannot be what I say it is. On one hand my question is my question. On the other hand, however, rega...See More
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Exactly, and to answer a question - sometimes it requires more details.
Sometimes more questions have to be asked...
So I asked you a few follow up questions...

Instead of answering them - you had a full blow.
How about going step by step?
Idk - I feel like, sometimes, if you disagree with something or if it doesn't fit in your narrative, you go off the rails...
How about playing around with some ideas and have some fun, thinking outside of the box, discover new things?
Sometimes you come across as a angry little 3 year old that chucks a tantrum when someone says something you don't like/understand.
It's not really fun and none ever said debates can't be fun...
How about being a little playful every now and then?
I think my follow up questions are absolutely legitimate and more important indicating that I don't know the answers.
Believing to know everything, in my opinion is actually really dumb.
I don't know whether you can be dead and alive at the same time.
In fact, I never claimed to know.
But at the same time, I like to stay open minded.
I don't want to stop to evolve my ideas only because Joey says so.
Scientific facts are only factual based on evidence, right?
However, how many times in human history have scientific facts, or what was believed to be factual, been disproved by new observations and evidence?
The more technology evolves the more insight we might get, more accurate measurement can be taken and some facts will be debunked and some will remain.
So if you want to have a discussion, be open for it.
It's a two way street and not a 'Joey-knows-all-appaloosa'.
People will have other perceptions of reality and it's a good thing because sometimes you're sitting in a corner, where you can't see everything and that's why we share our subjective views and compare them, to figured out, what's close to be actual true.
To finish up - I'll stick to my initial statement - that there is a fundamental truth but it might not be what the general scientific community (or Joey) currently think it is, based on personal experience, perception, observation...so for now I stay critical✌🏼
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Patrick Ramolla
Patrick Ramolla Exactly, and to answer a question - sometimes it requires more details.
Sometimes more questions have to be asked...
So I asked you a few follow up questions...

Instead of answering them - you had a full blow.
How about going step by step?
I did tell you what your question is, as you seem to have forgotten it OR didn't like my response.
Idk - I feel like, sometimes, if you disagree with something or if it doesn't fit in your narrative, you go off the rails...
How about playing around with some ideas and have some fun, thinking outside of the box, discover new things?
Sometimes you come across as a angry little 3 year old that chucks a tantrum when someone says something you don't like/understand.
It's not really fun and none ever said debates can't be fun...
How about being a little playful every now and then?
I think my follow up questions are absolutely legitimate and more important indicating that I don't know the answers.
Believing to know everything, in my opinion is actually really dumb.
I don't know whether you can be dead and alive at the same time.
In fact, I never claimed to know.
But at the same time, I like to stay open minded.
I don't want to stop to evolve my ideas only because Joey says so.
Scientific facts are only factual based on evidence, right?
However, how many times in human history have scientific facts, or what was believed to be factual, been disproved by new observations and evidence?
The more technology evolves the more insight we might get, more accurate measurement can be taken and some facts will be debunked and some will remain.
So if you want to have a discussion, be open for it.
It's a two way street and not a 'Joey-knows-it-all-dead end'.
People will have other perceptions of reality and it's a good thing because sometimes you're sitting in a corner, where you can't see everything and that's why we share our subjective views and compare them, to figured out, what's close to be actual true.
To finish up - I'll stick to my initial statement - that there is a fundamental truth but it might not be what the general scientific community (or Joey) currently think it is, based on personal experience, perception, observation...so for now I stay critical✌🏼
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, I support what I do. I do what I do for many reasons. I am not closed minded. I am not bad or too bad. I am not angry or too angry. You can continue to accuse me of being that. You might say I am too angry, bad, closed minded, and more. That does not mean I am or it may mean that I am but that being angry is not bad. There is good kind of anger. There is a difference between being closed minded and being right. If you are right, then you do not need to open up again, especially if you were already open before long ago and have done your homework and then got to the truth and you can find the truth.....
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Phạm Huy
Phạm Huy Humans are the greatest mistake made by nature. The world would be better without us. We could not make the world better...
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Joey Arnold
Joey Arnold Patrick Ramolla, my question was simple and my question was what it needed to be and I will always criticize when people get away from the core of the question and I will confront and criticize and analyze and break apart responses to my questions. Whether or not you're right and justified for how much or how little you respond is not my job completely. You can have reasons for being more specific in the questions and answers. You have the freedom to do that and I have the freedom to not like it. You know I can be wrong to not like your response. But I don't like it because it seems to be a distraction from the root of the question. Whether or not you are being distracting or not is not relevant because what you were doing was too distracting and too counterproductive from the spirit and the core of my question regardless of whether you know it or not. What you may or may not know does not change truth and reality regardless of whether you believe in one reality or not. You talk so much about our attempts at trying to see the truth and what you say is correct and true. We cannot really see enough but that does not mean we cannot understand basic core principles. Your question about science is a misleading question. Whether you know it or not, what you are asking and implying might be too much like pseudo science. What is true does not ever stop being true. If something that is true stops being true, then that means it was never true in the first place. When I say the word "TRUE," I am not talking about a temporary thing. You can say it is true the at was alive and then later say the cat is now dead. You could say that what was true about the cat changed from one truth of being alive to another truth of being dead. But I am not talking about that. Science is a natural philosophy and religion is supernatural philosophy. Science is built upon philosophy, study, observation, in real time. You can say science changes as we learn more but that does not change eternal principles that never changes. Programs, products, places, phases, people, and all the parts change, evolve, devolve, come, go, and many things, perhaps, or not, but the principles do not.Those are the seven Ps but the most important one at the root is PRINCIPLE.... can you be alive and move around and be not alive and not move around at the same time? You are not answering my question and you go on rabbit trails either accidentally or purposely and you know my question and what it means even if you say you do not which means you are lying too much and that is bad and the meaning to life is love and the meaning to love is life and love is grace & justice, & the meaning of life, of love, is seen & experienced, shared, through, with, for, from, by, fundamentally, summation, and that is something we cannot fully experience, understand, prematurely, before getting to summation of eternal life and life never ends and cannot end and will not end and we cannot imagine end to life.




















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